Njordic Ferry Lines

Risberg said:
Vel, hvis ropax ikke har notert det, så har privatisering av offentlige virksomheter; havner, flyplasser, jernbaner, jernbanestasjoner, motorveier, postvesen, i Norrköping by sågar drikkevannet, vært en ensrettet doktrine i hele Europa, helt siden jernteppet falt.
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I am usually always FOR privatisering - but not for to sell "critical infrastructure".
There are 1000 ways of to write contracts with any private companies for "use" or "administration" or "managing" of the critical infrastructure for a few, some or many years - but always so that the owner behind stays always the state (or the region or city). Similar as tender of ferry-routes or bus-routes etc. for a couple of years also the use of critical infrastructure can be tendered - but i would never sell these things if i would be the state, region or city. If we look to railway-tracks and compare Germany with Great Britain - in Germany the owner is still the state - but there a lot of private passenger- and cargo-train-companies also operating on these tracks beside the DB (with rented time-slots and fees for to use them).
But in UK they have sold their tracks to private monopoly (in their region) railway-companies - with the result of most slowliest trains, extreme high ticket-prices and a lot of other points are also decades behind railways in other big countries (Italy, Spain, France etc.). So privatisation YES - but not selling out critical infrastructure.

I think there is also a big problem in these times with the responsible politicians - if we look f.ex. to Varberg or Göteborg - where attractive ferry-ports was / will be replaced by any apartment-buildings.
There comes any big apartment-company and offers many millions - and the politicians threw away their ferry-ports directly ! Travelling to/from Denmark in 10, 30, 50 years ? Not my problem - i take the big money for the apartments now !

Full ok to build new apartments which are too less in many countries - but not to replace with them any critical and or for the people very attractive important travel-infrastructure. There are 1000 other places for to build 1000s new apartments - so it must not be exactly there where is today an attractive ferry-terminal. I know Varberg personally - from my opinion a "dead" normal swedish small-town - nothing special - where the most important thing was the Stena Line (before Lion ferry) ferry-port. Wellknown over 40, 50, 60 years in Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Germany. If you go in any travel-agency in Germany and ask for a ferry to Sweden you has got over decades the Stena-catalogue with pictures, maps etc. inside from Varberg too (marketing was the cheap family-friendly route). But now there is only Halmstad (beside Göteborg, Trelleborg etc.) in the catalogue and on websites, route-maps etc. . So Varberg has deleted with the ferry-port their most important and wellkown thing. And now this city - especially outside from Sweden - is not more known as Falkenberg, Uddevalla, Kungsbacka, Vetlanda or Hässleholm.

Maybe i have too much the German glasses on my eyes - but if any ferry-company would contact now any port in Germany (Emden, Wilhelmshaven, Cuxhaven, Bremerhaven, Hamburg, Kiel, Travemünde, Wismar, Rostock, Stralsund, Sassnitz) - 100% sure all ports and port-cities would be happy - maybe they would said, ok, but we need first a little bit time for to build a ferry-ramp, for to oganisize space for waiting trucks etc. - but they would try to get any new ferry-route - similar as f.ex. the finnish Turku and Hanko which both wants urgent more ferry-routes. So what happens in some Swedish and Norwegian port-cities to do more against ferries than for to support ferries - is absolutely not to understand from a German perspective.

Risberg said:
Har Tyskland ikke personnummer? Jeg trodde Storbritannia var det eneste landet i Europa uten personnummer.
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I have studied together random with "real Norwegians" in university - and they had me told that Norway is a half-socialistic and very much "big state-brother is watching you" country with f.ex. extra tax on German cars, transparent tax-payments of the citizen etc. "the glass-citizen", limited salaries for biggest managers etc. . In Germany you get a "social-insurance-number" only if you are a worker / staff in any company. If you have your own company nobody is watching you and if you are smart there are ways for to pay no tax over decades. The result is today that some 100.000s Germans has no health-insurance. Many Germans prefer cash-payment also until today, because only with card-payment the state / police could theoretic check any payments or buys. In UK is no number and also no register-adress - you can live anywhere in the country - but nobody knows your adress.
So more the state regulate all the things of the citizens - so more less freedom has the people. So in a line from less freedom to most freedom first are coming the classic former socialistic / communistic states as f.ex. East-Germany. There was everything regulated, from baby to cimetary, f.ex. the people has got a fixed place on cemetary, decided from a person from the regime - there was no chance to choose a nice place self as f.ex. in West-Germany. And then f.ex. Sweden and Norway are coming - they can travel where they want - but the state has a very very very (especially financial) big control over their citizen. But in Germany f.ex. it is usually NOT ALLOWED to tell anybody how much is your salary - and nobody knows how much tax you pay - or if you pay or not. There is a "secret-tax-law". But you must register in any city where you are living. In Spain f.ex. it is similar. But in UK you have even more freedom - nobody knows where you are living - no number, no register etc. . And most freedom is in USA f.ex. - especially in midt-western states anywhere in nowhere. No tax or minimal tax, no rules with health-insurances, very far no construction-rules, you can have a lot of guns etc. - the state do not take care about - you have to do all things around your live self.
Example around houses: If you sell/buy your house in Norway it is really complicated, you need first an expensive expert who check your house. Then there is a (nearly) monopoly internet-company for selling, renting etc. of houses, there you have to register first with all your dates before anything works - so that the state has everything under control. In Gemany are a lot of similar German websites where you can sell o rent out your house - without register or give any personally dates. And so we can continue to compare all parts of life - until allowed speed on motorways, there was a czech millionär recorded in a Buggati sportscar with 437 km/h on the A2 a sunday-morning 4:00 - some politicians wanted to do something against him - but it was not possible because it was allowed (= FREEDOM).
DDR = all was 100% regulated by the state, the state has decided your school, university, profession, everything // Norway, Sweden = very much is regulated // Germany, Spain = ca. in the middle, a number of things are regulated, but much less than in Sweden, Norway // UK = in some points even more freedom than in Gemany // USA = most possible freedom, if you buy any old farm anywhere in nowhere without neighbours you can constuct what you want, do what you want, work f.ex. anything in Internet-business, pay nearly no tax etc. - you will have usually nearly nothing to do with the state. One expamle: There it is allowed for parents to teach their kids self at home ! But in Germany all kids must go to school.

Folkeavstimmingar: This depends from the country, there are 16 countries in Germany with own rules, in Bayern f.ex. they have actually so many "Bürgerentscheide" that nearly every new project will be blocked by neighbors (more apartment-houses are urgent needed - but are blocked everywhere by neighbors who do not want more cars, crying kids etc. on their streets) and the Bayern-government is actually working with a new rule for to get less "Bürgerentscheide" in future.

Ferry-port Moss:
Sure actually it looks complicated to open a new ferry-route there - but theoretic it would be still possible. Where on the picture with the new trainstation are containers could be also the marshalling-area for a ferry - including containers with 6 wheels = trailers. Would be an interesting duty for a travel-/transport-university to check out possible future chances of a ferry-port in Moss - and why in details old routes was not so long operating.
The Stena ferry there i have used several times - and it was always very well booked, in low-season also - the ferry was full with people, caravans and cars, maybe 85% Norwegians plus some swedish, danish and german. Think from Trondheim to Hannover(worldwide biggest exhibition-area) - such a ferry in the middle of the trip and saving ca. 200km drive (from Göteborg to Moss) would be a very well solution. The motorway Hamburg-Frederikshavn was / is always free and fast to drive (big parts no speed-limit, in Denmark 130) and in Moss in 4, 5, 6 min you are on the E6 (or direction east to middle-Sweden also). I think Stena had just decided with the end of Duty-Free to reduce the Göteborg-route from Frederikshavn - and with taking away the 1979 built Stena Nordica they could reduce / close directly 2 routes (she was daytime to Göteborg and evening/night to Moss) - instead of to develop further the Moss-route with a modern efficiency ferry and better timetables - would has been also a perfect HSS route. Think in (longer) future with a XL electric Catamaran 40 knots Moss-Skagen in 2:45 hours. Would be more attractive than all other travel-solutions (Helsingborg, Göteborg, Trelleborg etc.), with cheap prices it can be only a success.
 
Vel, ropax, den allerverste ødeleggelsen av strategisk infrastruktur har man klart i Tyskland. Der er jernbanenettet eid av DB Netz AG, et aksjebolag, som er et datterselskap av togselskapet Deutsche Bahn AS. Det betyr to ting: 1) DB Netz AG er inhabilt i forhold til DBAG når det skal tildele "slots" til DB og andre togselskaper, 2) Siden DB Netz er at A/S (AG) har de ifølge aksjeselskapsloven ikke lov til å gjøre investeringer, som ikke er bedriftsøkonomisk lønnsomme, selv om de er samfunnsøkonomisk lønnsomme, f.eks. forbikjøringsspor for godstog på strekningen Hamburg – Berlin.

Når det gjelder hvor villig eller sågar med hvor stor glede tyske havner ville imøtegå nye rederier så vet jeg at TT-Line flere ganger uttalte at de kunne ønske at Travemünde var like imøtekommende som Trelleborg. Men det stemmer at den ene byen efter den annen, København, Malmö, Helsingborg, Göteborg, Varberg, Stavanger og Oslo (jeg har selv bodd på Sørengkaia i Oslo, som før var DFDS TOR LINE sin ro/ro-havn), hiver ut sine ferger til fordel for boligbygging. Men det samme gjorde jo Saßnitz, efter "die Wende"; flyttet jernbanefergene fra Trelleborg ut til Mukran. 1990-98 kunne man ta en hyggelig tur til Saßnitz, som begynte å våkne opp, fra Mukran derimot finnes det ingen forbindelse til Saßnitz by.

Antyder ropax at jeg ikke er "ekte nordmann", fordi at jeg ikke er født nordmann, kun har bodd i landet i 36 år, som er mer enn halve mitt liv, og er norsk statsborger, og derfor ikke skulle kjenne forholdene?! Ærlig talt, nu er ropax på et meget lavt nivå, selv ham til å være. Det er riktig at de nordiske samfunn, ikke bare Norge, er veldig transparente. Men jeg tror ropax forveksler begrepene anonymitet og frihet. Ekstra skatt på tyske biler? For noe tull! Det ville stride mot EØS-bestemmelsene. Nu synes jeg at ropax skal holde opp med å spre "fake news", jeg begynner å skjønne hvorfor han er utestengt fra theferryforums.com. Så heldig de 100 000 frie tyskerne er, som ikke har noen helseforsikring, og da åpenbart heller ikke fri helsepleie som en del av velferden.

Så tror jeg ikke dette er forumet for en generell politisk drøfting om nordiske land, Tyskland og Spania, Storbritannia og USA, men man kan nesten få det inntrykket at ropax holder friheten til å eie skytevåpen i USA høyt. Og å sammenligne de skandinaviske land med DDR er så fullstendig skivebom. Hvor mange ganger har ropax vært i DDR? Jeg vokste opp fire timers fergereise fra DDR, jeg har som tiåring sett den siste østtyske rundturspsssasjeren som hoppet fra dekk på jernbanefergen SASSNITZ ned i en godsvogn som ble trukket ut fra fergen i Trelleborgs havn, med østtyske soldater som prøvde å gå inn på svensk territorium for å fange ham – efter det fikk ikke østtyskerne lengre reise med SASSNITZ, jeg har hatt fototillatelse for Berlin Ostbhf i 1973 og blitt kontrollert av Bahnpolizei annenhver time, jeg har argumentert med VOPO på Saßnitz politistasjon og om krav på nytt visa på Hotel Metropol i Østberlin og jeg passerte vel jernteppet (ikke kun til/fra DDR) ca. femti ganger. Så ikke kom å fortell meg hvordan det var i DDR.

At meglerbransjen i Norge skulle være monopolisert var noe av det dummeste jeg har lest. Det finnes alt for mange meglere i Norge, som tjener alt for mange penger, og sprer sin reklame slik bonden sprer gjødsel.

Og hvis Stena gjorde det så bra på Moss – Frederikshavn; er det ikke litt rart at de trakk seg ut så tidlig at de i h.h.t. en kontrakt med Moss havn måtte betale havnen for de installasjoner havnen hadde gjort for fergedriften (og i det øyeblikk siste Stena-ferge hadde forlatt Moss ble disse installasjonene malt mørkeblå og Color Line's SKAGEN anløpte om kvelden).

ropax sin argumentasjon minner meg litt om dansken som startet Scandlink, og skulle starte en jernbanefergerute Moss – Puttgarden med ÖRESUND fra den nettopp nedlagte København – Helsingborg-ruten. Forutsetningen var 1) transport av jernbanevogner med fisk tre ganger i uken, 2) transport av farlig gods, som ifølge ham ikke var tillatt å frakte i Storebælt-tunnelen. Når det viste seg at der ikke var kundegrunnlag for mer enn en fisketransport i uken og det slett ikke var forbudt å frakte farlig gods på jernbane i Storebæltstunnelen falt hele prosjektet i fisk (ufrivillig morsomhet).
 
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Just short to DB etc.:
Everything around the DB and their "100s" del- or dotterbolagets - all these companies are looking on the paper private - but in the background is the state always.
If they are making any loss - the government pays the bills always and super-fast - they will never go insolvency.
Similar it is with Lufthansa - during Covid-19 a lot of other companies was going insolvency - but Lufthansa has got 100s of millions from the state directly and fast without any discuss - Ryanair is still trying with laywers to do something against this state-support. So this "critical national transport-/travelsystems" are private-managed, and they shall make profit also - but in the background in Germany is always the state - also similar it is with SBB, ÖBB and German port-companies. The state (and regions) decide also alone / mainly / mostly about new railway-routes, train-frequencies, ticket-prices, new trains etc. - there are always a number of "older former" politicians involved on highest top-floor over the DB-CEOs from the political parties which are actually in the government. And furthermore there are 17 transport-ministries (1 for each German country + 1 national) with hundreds of staff each to decide all important things around transport.

The same it is with all the public city-transport-companies in Germany. The CEOs there have not much to decide, to buy any new buses, trams etc., number of doors, comfort of seats, frequencies, capacities, ticket-prices, salaries of the staff - everything decide the city - but not the city-owned local-public-transport-company. So the local public-transport-company is doing only what the city-politicans have decided before. The majors in Stuttgart and Köln was against buses - so today only these both cities has no central-bus-teminal in Germany. They are stopping behind the city-borders in Kornwestheim and Leverkusen therefore and their majors was happy to get on Flixbus-maps and much more travelers in their smaller cities. So often companies seems to be private with "AG" or "GmbH" - but in transport-business often the state, region or city has all the money and power behind. Maybe not easy to see from outside - f.ex. DB-Regionetz-Verkehrs-Infrastruktur-GmbH sounds private - but is in fact state-owned - but f.ex. TT Line GmbH is 100% private (Businessmen in Hamburg, Dr.Oetker group in Bielefeld etc. are shareholders).

And Megler are 100s in Norway - but there is no alternative to the www.finn.no monopoly in Norway for private announcing of (international holiday-) houses for renting or selling without megler, hjem.no is not really an alternative.
And there is a lot of state-observation-monitoring-control behind - or i say it in other words: Without to pax tax you can not rent there anything. But in other countries - try f.ex. Google-search in German-language "Ferienwohnungen in Spanien" or "Ferienhäuser in Schweden" there are coming 30, 40, 50 announcing-websites, catalogues, plattforms, market-places with many different renting-systems and a lot of them are also without need to give any personal data as person-numbers, real names, bank-accounts etc. . There is (often) no control by any state - X can rent to Y everything in anywhere - without that any state knows about it. F.ex. our ski-holiday apartment from an UK-owner in France-3-vallees we had booked online and paid cash and we think that no state knows anything about it. So it is one example (i could name 1000 others) for more freedom and less state-control in other countries (UK, Germany, Spain) than in Norway (and Sweden). 1946-1948 George Orwell has written the future-scenario-book "1984" about glass-citizen and that the state has in future 100% totally control over the life of the people - this book was not allowed to read or sell in East-Germany DDR and some other former socialistic states, in DDR the result for reading this book was 2 years and 4 month in "Zuchthaus"-prison ! Sure - Norway has nothing to do with the DDR - but the life of the people in Norway (or f.ex. Singapore also) is much more nearby this book (= less freedom) than f.ex. the life of people in Germany, Spain or UK - and the life of people in USA is very very far away from this book (= much more freedom). So more rules, restrictions and laws a state has for every even smallest point in private life of the people - so much more the personally individually freedom is limited.

At last the example that you need an expensive expert for buildings in Norway if you want to sell your flat or house. Why ? I have never heard this from any other country (similar as with city-bompengar also, Bergen was the first worldwide, no wonder that Stockholm has it today too) - there buyer and seller just go to a notary, he is doing all the paperwork, ground-book-registration etc., organize the payment of money and that`s it. In Spain, in UK, in Germany, in Sweden etc. . And all people has the freedom self to let check the building by any expert before - if they want it - or not, if they not want it - but there is no extra law for this expert as in Norway. This is the difference between less and more freedom - to let people the choice to decide most things self - to let people self the choice to rent anything with real name - or as Mr.X - as f.ex. use of number-bank-accounts in Swiss also. Or Chimney-sweeper - in some countries you have to let in and to pay this guy annually - if you want it or not. But in other countries nobody is thinking about chimney-sweeper, no law, no rule, no costs - but much more freedom. Expensive Garbish separation in Norway ? In Spain, USA etc. they threw all in 1 box - there are some public separation-boxes for glasses, papers etc. on the streets - but most people decide to threw everything in 1 box at their home because it is much more comfortable. So in some countries are rules, restrictions and laws for everything (=no free choice, no freedom) - but in other countries people can decide much more self - f.ex. how much they want to do for environment- or animal-protection. Just this week in Germany is discuss about hedgehogs injured in nights by robotic lawnmover in family-house-gardens. And 2 political parties (red and green) want to make a new law extra for it that it is not allowed in the night to use these machines. But 3 other parties (black, blue and yellow) want that the people self decide when they use these machines - without any new extra-law for it (= more freedom). And also not random f.ex. with the end of cash-payment-possibility Norway and Sweden are in leading positions worldwide (together with the very state-controled country Singapore...) - these states are forcing and pushing everything to finish cash-payment so early as possible in future. They let not the people decide self how they want to pay = no freedom. In Sweden banks are in fact closed / deleted mostly - you can not go anymore spontan getting money from your own bank-account in cash-money at a counter with staff as in all other countries. And the background is there also that the state has 100% control over all payments - as in the very old book "1984".

So back to the topic - all these examples was the background only why i am was really wondering that especially in Norway - where the private life of the people is much more regulated, restricted, controled, monitored etc. by the state than in most other countries it is on the other side so easy to sell " for ever" critical infrastructure as a modern complete "ready for use" international ferry-port with terminal.

So let`s hope that Grenland-havn has positive plans for the Langesund-ferry-terminal and let`s wait for next news about the topic Njordic Ferry Lines - or maybe also other projects about a Norway-Netherland-route made by Norwegian investors, as f.ex. rumors about a Pax-cruise-connection.

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With a number of pictures from Norway and Netherlands and from the Tallink-cruise-ferry Romantika !
 
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ropax said:
We are coming much too far away from the topic Njordic Ferry Lines... .
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Yes, you are!
ropax said:
Just short to DB etc.:
Everything around the DB and their "100s" del- or dotterbolagets - all these companies are looking on the paper private - but in the background is the state always.
If they are making any loss - the government pays the bills always and super-fast - they will never go insolvency.
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ropax bommer fullstendig på poenget, fordi han ikke skjønner, eller vil skjønne at det ikke hjelper at aksjene i DB Netz og Deutsche Bahn er til 100% stats(forbunds)eide, de lyder fremdeles under aksjeselskapsloven, til skade for deres formål som samfunnets infrastruktureiere og tilrettelegere for best mulig og effektiv transport. Så istedenfor å faktisk argumentere saklig så gjentar han seg og ramser opp en hel masse irrelevant "fakta"
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And Megler are 100s in Norway - but there is no alternative to the www.finn.no monopoly in Norway for private announcing of (international holiday-) houses for renting or selling without megler, hjem.no is not really an alternative.
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Igjen klarer ikke, eller vil ikke, ropax å skille mellom reelt monopol og mangel på konkurranse. Det er det som illustrerer problemet med fri markedsliberalisme i små samfunn, som de skandinaviske. For at fri markedsøkonomi skal fungere trengs et stort tilbud og en tilsvarende stor efterspørsel. Det er ikke alltid til stede i små land, som Danmark, Norge, Sverige og Finland, det er kanskje derfor som de fremstår som sosialistiske i ropax sine øyne.
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som er Njordic Ferry Line, ropax!
 
If we look back to my list A) B) C) D) posted here 30.june of thinkable available ferries for Njordic Ferry Line - and we look to the Tallink-Silja-fleet and look now at the big pictures of ROMANTIKA on the new Njordic website... :

Tallink has since longer time 2 ferries free available "hanging around": SUPERFAST IX and ROMANTIKA
Then GALAXY 1 and SILJA EUROPA are still in use as accomodation-ships in Netherlands - but i think that the new right-wing-government there want not to pay the very high charter-prices (CIRCA 100,- per night and cabin ! - Maybe they have got a longterm-discount down to 90,- or "only" 80,- - but it is still a very big daily amount for this ship with more than 1000 cabins) many years longer in future. So my SPECULATION here: The government will find any cheaper accomodation-solutions so soon as possible - and then both cruise-ferries are coming back to Tallink. Maybe in 2025 - or latest in 2026.
So the result is (SPECULATION !): Tallink will have soon 4 very big ferries without any route or job - what means in fact a lot of daily costs and 0 profit.

So it is thinkable that Tallink - because of this reason - will go down with their very high charter-prices now (or in future). Maybe also a combination charter-now-buy-later-deal as with the Oscar Wilde from Irish Ferries will be possible.
But would it make any sense for Njordic Ferry Line to take any ferries from Tallink ??? And especially again the ROMANTIKA with her 727 cabins ?
What about announcements of Njordic managers there "not to make the same mistakes as HNL" and "main-focus is on freight" ???
These points fits not together with Romantika. This ferry has still the big problem of a much too small truck-/motorhome-/car-deck compared with the big number of cabins.
Only option could be to built in the complete deck a hanging car-deck = CIRCA 600 cars in future instead of only 300 today = 610 cabins booked + 117 cabins for foot-passengers and mini-cruisers and rebuilt of conference-rooms into maybe 100 Pullman-seats (mainly) for students etc. . Such an operation-concept could work (with own ferry-buses) financially. But all this would then have nothing to with freight.
Maybe the take the Superfast IX (only ca. 200 cabins) as 2nd ferry then mainly for freight ?
But with big pictures now of the comfortable still relative modern cruise-ferry Romantika on their websites they can not really start the route anymore with any spartanic old freight-orientated Ropax-ferry !

And now - if we look further to the pictures from the cities on the website... -

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1st picture is from Bryggen in Bergen - and other pictures are originally only from Groningen:
- the old-town canal (with a boat and many bikes)
- the Groningen-Museum (the picture with the crazy architektur-building)
- old town air-picture with the Martini-tower
- And also the landscape-pictures from Norway shows Fjord-Norway - and not the coast-landscape anywhere between Kristiansand and Oslo.

Other points:
- They are talking only about to connect Netherlands and Norway - so all German ports are definitely out.
- The texts sounds so, that it could be (in future) more than 1 route, also the name is "lines" - not "line".
- The postadress is a private house in nowhere between Zwolle and Enschede, so they have still no office.
- The website is very basic wordpress, easy to build self similar by many people.
- Daily Departures in both directions = 2 ferries are needed.

So what could all these points mean ?
- 1) I think we can be sure that the dutch port will be Eemshaven.
- 2) Maybe all speculations about a port nearby Oslofjord (Langesund etc.) was wrong and they are planning instead with Bergen ???
Maybe with an intermediate stop in Stavanger ? With 21 knots a traveltime Bergen-Eemshaven of CIRCA 21 hours would be possible (without Stavanger).
Or "only" Stavanger-Eemshaven with 20 knots in 17:40 hours.
3rd option would be triangel = Eemshaven-Stavanger-Bergen-Eemshaven - also this would be possible - maybe with 21,5 knots + 45min and 2 hours loading/unloading-time.
- 3) All these route-options would be strongest competition especially for Fjordline.
- 4) For travelers from both sides Fjord-Norway or Groningen (-Amsterdam) such a route would be interesting. But the times in ports are too short for mini-cruise-people, a night in hotel is needed.
But is there really so much freight DAILY from/to Fjord-Norway ??? Just to compare it with HNL - the planned number of departures here would mean more than double capacity per week... .

Or also thinkable: Any pictures there on the website are only "random test-/symbol- pictures" and have nothing to say about the really planned ships, ports and route.

My opinion:
If they really would again charter any ferries from Tallink - then it will be again very difficult to operate the route financially sucessfull because the daily fixcosts then are much much higher then if they would have bought any other used ferries. Was already the problem from HNL, they could pay the fuel, the staff and crew, port-fees etc. - but to pay on top the very high charter-fee to Tallink was not anymore possible.
So i can give only the urgent advice to BUY any used ferries and also to hold other costs for staff, crew, flagg, office etc. so much small and down as possible.
It takes also normally circa 3 years until any new route can reach ca. 90% or more of their customer-potential. It takes time until all people and freight-companies knows the route and then maybe will try it next time.

Furthermore i would be really happy if they would operate with big Pax-ferries as Romantika (and maybe Victoria 1 or Galaxy 1) - but i can not see how they want to fill 727 cabins DAILY from/to a ferry-ramp in nowhere (Eemshaven).
Only option could be to built in the complete deck a hanging car-deck = CIRCA 600 cars in future instead of only 300 today = 610 cabins + 117 cabins for foot-passengers and mini-cuisers and rebuilt of conference-rooms into maybe 100 Pullman-seats (mainly) for students etc. . Such an operation-concept could work (with own ferry-buses, cheap prices in low-season etc.) financially. But all this would then have nothing to with freight.
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A picture says more than 1000 words about (the trainstation in) Eemshaven:

Think you are arriving with this cruise-ferry - then walking 400m (Borkum-terminal - to the HNL was much more) through the rain and strong winds with your family, dog and XXXL baggages etc. to the railway-plattform - then waiting in a long row at the only ticket-machine for to buy train-tickets, then waiting in the rain for the next train on the plattform - and then 55min train-trip to Groningen... . ((Maybe in Travemünde-Hafenhaus it is more worse, but...)) For me all this would be not an attractive travel-option... .
Especially if we think that f.ex. in Emden or Bremerhaven Norwegian mini-cruisers could walk a few hundred meter to cheap German supermarkets, bars, cafes, shoppingcenters... - and intercity-trains are going to Köln and Leipzig without any change via a lot of big cities. The German DB has really 1000 problems - but their connections to the ferry-ports are much better (and cheaper too) than in the Netherlands. F.ex. from Emden (Borkum-ferry) and Norddeich-Mole (ferries to Norderney and Juist) 16 intercity-trains are going daily directly to Köln and Leipzig - and until Bremen you can use the 49,- monthly Deutschlandticket also in IC-trains and all other regional-tickets.

But from Eemshaven to Amsterdam ?
Works only every 1-2 hours, takes (much) more than 3 hours, costs (much) more than similar distances in Germany and the absolute most biggest problem: You need to change 2-times the trains in 6 min only ! There you have 6 min in Groningen from track 1 or 2 for running to track 7, if the Eemshaven-train arrives and opens the doors exactly 100% in time on the second if the minute :43 starts (dep. train to Almere is if minute :49 starts) - maybe it is possible for a sport-student without any baggage if he jump out at the 1st door as 1st person (all 100, 200 people are leaving the train in Groningen) - but for all other normal travelers it is absolute not realistic ! So the result is, the train-trip to Amsterdam takes realistic 4-5 hours (plus waiting-times in Eemshaven !) - but only if you catch the 2nd train-change in Almere also in 6 minutes.
((Was always wondering why all the motorways in Netherlands are always so extremly super-full - but with these bad train-connections, every 1-2 hours "broken traffic" without long-distance-trains, it is absolute clear... .))
So if they would use Emden as port then many German towns are directly connected with cheap intercity-trains and ICE-trains, 1 ferry-bus to Leer-Groningen-Leuwarden, 1 ferry-bus direct to Hamburg and 1 ferry-bus to Amsterdam and it would be much more faster and cheaper and comfortable for the travelers - with the result that much more travelers would decide for the ferry - plus Norwegian cheap-shopping-mini-cruisers could use the ship.

Found interesting videos here showing also the situation in Eemshaven (now the new ferry shall come a bit more closier nearby to the Borkum-terminal) - and with nice ship-tours of Romantika onboard - if Njordic Ferry Lines really should take this ferry again now (?).
A railway-friend is happy with a "low comfort slowly shuttle-train" and walking some hundred meters through the rain to the ferry-terminal, and then a few hundred meters to the ferry-bow again, 1st premier departure with opening-ceremonie:
(best part from minute 2:30 and forget the last ca. 10min long talking at home at the end...)

And an UK Motorhome-couple is happy that this ferry offers more comfort onboard than UK ferries:
 
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Think you are arriving with this cruise-ferry - then walking 400m (Borkum-terminal - to the HNL was much more) through the rain and strong winds with your family, dog and XXXL baggages etc. to the railway-plattform - then waiting in a long row at the only ticket-machine for to buy train-tickets, then waiting in the rain for the next train on the plattform - and then 55min train-trip to Groningen... . ((Maybe in Travemünde-Hafenhaus it is more worse, but...))
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Det skal jeg hilse å si. Kommer du til Travemünde må du ta en uregelmessig buss til Travemünde-Skandinavienkai, hvor plattformen er på feil side av sporet i forhold til busstoppet, med to lange ramper, en fra undergangen til gatenivå og en opp til plattform, med et godt stykke ikke plant fortau imellom dem, eller, om det er lørdag eller søndag, må du ta bussen helt til Lübeck, hvor busstasjonen blir kallt ZOB/Hauptbahnhof, men slett ikke ligger like ved Lübeck Hbf. Eller Rostock, hvor du må ta buss til Lütten Klein og S-bahn derfra til Rostock Hbf. Og Lütten Klein har dobbeltspor med høyrekjøring, så kommer du fra fergen må du ned og opp to lange ramper med "familie, hund og XXXL bagasje(?!)" til platform for S-tog retning Rostock Hbf.
 
The problem is that many ferry-companies are not interested really in foot-passengers - i am usually always with car on ferries - but it felts so as foot-pax are 2nd class people only. So the result is, that they do not think about any well contemporary comfortable service for them. I know that you do not like any buses - but from Trelleborg to Germany i really give you the advice to try next time Flixbus which are going several times daily day and night from Malmö-C or Hyllie directly to Hamburg-Hbf./ZOB (ca. 7 hours for 20,- to 25,- €) and partly to Hannover-Hbf./ZOB also. Saves a lot of money, a lot of changes and all trouble, waiting and walking around with baggage anywhere in Travemünde, Lübeck or Rostock. If you like more comfort you can book f.ex. the front-row and free seat beside also in the bus. The buses to Hamburg are mostly double-decker - but Malmö-Hannover is a normal 48-seater bus only if you should do not like double-decker - there are different routes, some goes via Puttgarden, others via Odense - you can see it before booking in the booking-system if you check the intemediate-stops - so you can get the Puttgarden-Scandlines-ferry included for free if you want it. And also longer distances as f.ex. Malmö-Dortmund/Essen/Düsseldorf/Köln in ca. 12 hours costs the OK-price of around € 50,- incl. only 1 change from Flixbus into Flixtrain in Hamburg-Hbf. .
So my really well-meant advice for your next trip anywhere south of Sweden: Take the train Trelleborg-Malmö, then the Flixbus only for the part from Malmö to Hamburg and there you have 1000 DB- and private-trains for to choose between.
Remember how complicated and expensive it was travelling to/from your last cruise-ship-trip: With the new ICE-L Amsterdam-Hannover, Flixbus Hannover-Malmö, train Malmö-Trelleborg it would has been only 2 changes... .

Back to Njordic Ferry Lines:
In a German forum was told that the Langesund-terminal was sold FROM Grenland-havn to a house-construction-company ?
Would be worst case. Maybe a wrong info ? Anybody here knows more facts ?

There users are speculating that Njordic will use Stavanger as port in Norway - and not Larvik, Sandefjord etc. direction Oslo.
 
ropax said:
The problem is that many ferry-companies are not interested really in foot-passengers - i am usually always with car on ferries - but it felts so as foot-pax are 2nd class people only. So the result is, that they do not think about any well contemporary comfortable service for them.
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Du sier ikke det! Fortell meg noe jeg ikke visste fra før. Men TT-Line er ikke berømt for å være populær blant busspassasjerer heller, det er de som er 2. klassespassasjerene – landgangspassasjerene er 3. klasses.
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I know that you do not like any buses - but from Trelleborg to Germany i really give you the advice to try next time Flixbus which are going several times daily day and night from Malmö-C or Hyllie directly to Hamburg-Hbf./ZOB (ca. 7 hours for 20,- to 25,- €) and partly to Hannover-Hbf./ZOB also. Saves a lot of money, a lot of changes and all trouble, waiting and walking around with baggage anywhere in Travemünde, Lübeck or Rostock. If you like more comfort you can book f.ex. the front-row and free seat beside also in the bus. The buses to Hamburg are mostly double-decker - but Malmö-Hannover is a normal 48-seater bus only if you should do not like double-decker - there are different routes, some goes via Puttgarden, others via Odense - you can see it before booking in the booking-system if you check the intemediate-stops - so you can get the Puttgarden-Scandlines-ferry included for free if you want it. And also longer distances as f.ex. Malmö-Dortmund/Essen/Düsseldorf/Köln in ca. 12 hours costs the OK-price of around € 50,- incl. only 1 change from Flixbus into Flixtrain in Hamburg-Hbf. .
So my really well-meant advice for your next trip anywhere south of Sweden: Take the train Trelleborg-Malmö, then the Flixbus only for the part from Malmö to Hamburg and there you have 1000 DB- and private-trains for to choose between.
Remember how complicated and expensive it was travelling to/from your last cruise-ship-trip: With the new ICE-L Amsterdam-Hannover, Flixbus Hannover-Malmö, train Malmö-Trelleborg it would has been only 2 changes... .
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Det er det absolutt siste jeg kunne tenke meg å gjøre, ikke bare fordi at jeg hater bussreiser, men også for at jeg reiser da for svingende ikke i gal retning, når jeg skal fra Trelleborg til Kontinentet. Jeg bor rett over gaten fra havneterminalen i Trelleborg.
Og hvor i Hannover, fra jernbanestasjonen, som var en rotete byggearbeidsplass, når jeg reiste til det cruiset du nevner, hadde den bussen gått? (For forumets øvrige lesere: Jeg var på fire måneders Jorden-runt-cruise fra og til Rotterdam fra 7. januar til 6. mai i år, og reiste med TT-Line Trelleborg – Travemünde, buss Hafenhaus Travemünde - Lübeck ZOB, tog Lübeck Hbf – Hamburg Hbf – Hannover Hbf – Amsterdam Centraal, overnattet der, tog Amsterdam C – Rotterdam C og drosje til cruiseterminalen, og hjem igjen T-bane fra cruiseterminalen til Rotterdam C, tog Rotterdam C – Utrecht – Duisburg – Hamburg Hbf, hvor jeg løp frem og tilbake mellom plattformene, fordi at det satans Deutsche Bahn drev og skiftet spor hele tiden, tog Hamburg Hbf – Lübeck Hbf, buss Lübeck ZOB – Hafenhaus og TT-Line Travemünde – Trelleborg.) Og til hvor i Malmö hadde den kommet – ikke Malmö C, fordi der er det kun Skånetrafikens busser som har lov å stanse. Og jeg antar at vi snakker om nattbusser? Noe så grusomt!!!
 
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"...og hjem igjen T-bane fra cruiseterminalen til Rotterdam C, tog Rotterdam C – Utrecht – Duisburg – Hamburg Hbf, hvor jeg løp frem og tilbake mellom plattformene, fordi at det satans Deutsche Bahn drev og skiftet spor hele tiden, tog Hamburg Hbf – Lübeck Hbf, buss Lübeck ZOB – Hafenhaus og TT-Line Travemünde – Trelleborg...".
So it was from Rotterdam-C to Hamburg-Hbf. minimum 2 train-changes, then in Lübeck-Hbf. is change 3 incl. walking to the ZOB (i think that you have big baggage from a 3-month-trip), then change 4 in Travemünde incl. walking from Hafenhaus - and change 5 is in Trelleborg into the Terminal-bus. So with trains and ferry it was 5 changes including a lot of stairs (or elevators) and not less walking with all the baggage. And if we now think to all the waiting-times between the changes - or maybe running to get the next connection - and i want not to ask how expensive all this was together... .

Alternative would has been Flixbus from Rotterdam-C in 1:30 hour to Eindhoven-C (costs 10,- €) - and there is a Flixbus at 19:00 DIRECTLY to Malmö-C arrival 8:40 (costs 40,- ). The buss-stop there is "Malmö-C, plattform K" in Norra Vallgatan opposite Savoy-Elite-Hotel - is also marked by Flixbus in Google-maps, all other long-distance-buses (f.ex. Vy) are stopping there too - but a few bus-routes are only stopping in Malmö-Hyllie train-station on a bridge over the tracks.
So with bus it would has been only 2 changes - in Eindhoven-C (there is only 1 plattform for all Flixbuses = 0 meter walking, 0 stairs) - and in Malmö-C (also possible to reach the train to Trelleborg without stairs).
This is the "Super-Express" N770 Paris-Bruxelles-Kopenhagen-Malmö - only stopping behind Eindhoven in Arnhem and Hamburg (15min break there, and without roundabouts - just german motorways empty in the night). Ok - you do not like travelling in night-buses - but if you think that you arrive at home in the morning and then you can sleep so long as you want in your own bed... ? Free Seat beside your seat costs here 20,- + 10,- for 2 x Frontrow-seats behind driver (super-silent - best view, best air) = 80,- totally costs only with a lot of extra-comfort.

I can understand also that you think a few km direction north first to Malmö is the wrong direction - but in fact TT is much too slowly and too expensive - and on the German side much too complicated further to Hamburg.
If you prefer daytime-travelling than try at 7:06 in the morning the train from Trelleborg to Malmö and then the Express-double-deck 8:10 from Malmö to Hamburg-Hbf. without stop behind Kopenhagen in 6:35 hours only arr. 14:45 for 20,- only if you book early, free side-seat + 10,-. Sadly much faster and cheaper from Trelleborg to Hamburg than any solution with TT-Line - and only a few minutes slowlier (and much cheaper) than the trains with many stops and 2 changes.
My tipp: Invest the saved money (if you take the bus to Hamburg) better in nice hotel-rooms or good restaurants anywhere and then from Hamburg f.ex. in fastest Sprinter-ICEs if you like trains.



 
ropax said:
"...og hjem igjen T-bane fra cruiseterminalen til Rotterdam C, tog Rotterdam C – Utrecht – Duisburg – Hamburg Hbf, hvor jeg løp frem og tilbake mellom plattformene, fordi at det satans Deutsche Bahn drev og skiftet spor hele tiden, tog Hamburg Hbf – Lübeck Hbf, buss Lübeck ZOB – Hafenhaus og TT-Line Travemünde – Trelleborg...".
So it was from Rotterdam-C to Hamburg-Hbf. minimum 2 train-changes, then in Lübeck-Hbf. is change 3 incl. walking to the ZOB (i think that you have big baggage from a 3-month-trip),
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4 månedersreise
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then change 4 in Travemünde incl. walking from Hafenhaus - and change 5 is in Trelleborg into the Terminal-bus. So with trains and ferry it was 5 changes including a lot of stairs (or elevators) and not less walking with all the baggage. And if we now think to all the waiting-times between the changes
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veldig lite ventetid
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- or maybe running to get the next connection - and i want not to ask how expensive all this was together... .

Alternative would has been Flixbus from Rotterdam-C in 1:30 hour to Eindhoven-C (costs 10,- €) - and there is a Flixbus at 19:00 DIRECTLY to Malmö-C arrival 8:40 (costs 40,- ). The buss-stop there is "Malmö-C, plattform K" in Norra Vallgatan opposite Savoy-Elite-Hotel
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de kan kalle det for Malmö C så meget de vil – det er det ikke, det er på gal side av kanalen og veldig ubekvemt å gå fra til Malmö C
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- is also marked by Flixbus in Google-maps, all other long-distance-buses (f.ex. Vy) are stopping there too - but a few bus-routes are only stopping in Malmö-Hyllie train-station on a bridge over the tracks.
So with bus it would has been only 2 changes - in Eindhoven-C (there is only 1 plattform for all Flixbuses = 0 meter walking
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hvordan kan det være 0 meter fra tog til buss?! Eller mener ropax at jeg først skulle ha tatt en ubekvem buss fra Rotterdam til Eindhoven og så skifte til en ny ubekvem buss der?
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, 0 stairs) - and in Malmö-C (also possible to reach the train to Trelleborg without stairs).
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nei, togene til Trelleborg går fra spor 1 eller 2, men OK, det er rulletrapp (når den fungerer) ned til den underjordiske plattformen
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This is the "Super-Express" N770 Paris-Bruxelles-Kopenhagen-Malmö - only stopping behind Eindhoven in Arnhem and Hamburg (15min break there, and without roundabouts - just german motorways empty in the night). Ok - you do not like travelling in night-buses - but if you think that you arrive at home in the morning and then you can sleep so long as you want in your own bed...
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det var det dummeste jeg har hørt; sitte oppe hele natten i en ukomfortabel buss, for så å måtte sove bort dagen hjemme, hvor jeg hadde tusen ting å gjøre efter fire måneders fravær
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? Free Seat beside your seat costs here 20,- + 10,- for 2 x Frontrow-seats behind driver (super-silent - best view, best air) = 80,- totally costs only with a lot of extra-comfort.
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"extra-comfort" i en buss! ropax og jeg lever på to forskjellige planeter
ropax said:
I can understand also that you think a few km direction north first to Malmö is the wrong direction - but in fact TT is much too slowly and too expensive - and on the German side much too complicated further to Hamburg.
If you prefer daytime-travelling than try at 7:06 in the morning the train from Trelleborg to Malmö and then the Express-double-deck 8:10 from Malmö to Hamburg-Hbf. without stop behind Kopenhagen in 6:35 hours only arr. 14:45 for 20,- only if you book early, free side-seat + 10,-. Sadly much faster and cheaper from Trelleborg to Hamburg
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nu var det jo ikke Hamburg men Rotterdam som var mål- hhv. utgangspunkt. Og hadde det ikke vært Nederland som hadde vært reisemålet, så hadde jeg aldri valgt Travemünde, men Rostock eller sågar Świnoujście, hvor fergeterminalen er like ved jernbanestasjonen
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than any solution with TT-Line - and only a few minutes slowlier (and much cheaper) than the trains with many stops and 2 changes.
My tipp: Invest the saved money (if you take the bus to Hamburg) better in nice hotel-rooms or good restaurants anywhere and then from Hamburg f.ex. in fastest Sprinter-ICEs if you like trains.
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Og så bor jeg altså rett over gaten fra havneterminalen i Trelleborg – ikke rett over gaten fra Trelleborg C.
Men igjen dreier dette seg i meget liten grad om Njordic Ferry Lines, så jeg tror ikke dette interesserer forumets øvrige medlemmer i særlig grad, og med det totalt forskjellige verdigrunnlag som ropax og jeg åpenbart har så er hans tips fullstendig verdiløse for meg. Poenget mitt var bare å imøtegå ropax sin påstand The German DB has really 1000 problems - but their connections to the ferry-ports are much better (and cheaper too) than in the Netherlands. Men dette illustrerer veldig godt hvordan ropax argumenterer. Kanskje er Bremerhaven bedre enn Eemshaven i så måte, men da gjelder det plutselig jernbaneforbindelse til alle fergehavner i Tyskland. Og så er det jo litt rart at ropax fremholder gode jernbaneforbindelser, når hans løsning for all landtransport er buss, buss og atter buss.
 
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...Eller mener ropax at jeg først skulle ha tatt en ubekvem buss fra Rotterdam til Eindhoven og så skifte til en ny ubekvem buss der?...
Jo, precis - nettop ! After 90 min only in the buss (coming from London) from Rotterdam to Eindhoven the driver unload your baggage there opposite the big yellow "Kegel" - you take a seat in the glass-buss-stop - and then the Paris-Malmö buss is stopping at the same buss-stop and the busdriver load your baggage in - and in Malmö-C out again. Many other "better die than fly" persons are thinking that this is most comfortable... - from Malmö to Rotterdam (or London too) with 1 change only - and without any stairs, without walking around and lifting heavy big baggage self. (Pictures show the long-distance-buss-stop in Eindhoven - a cross-point in the network)

Is it really so ubekvem ? The really long part between Arnhem and Hamburg without any intermediate stop ? And usually without families and kids in the buss. If you book the both front-row-seats before the stairs nobody is passing or disturbing you, you do not see any other passengers, you can fold down the seats maximum for sleeping, you have 2 reading-lamps and 2 individual air-condition/heating, electric socket, usb-port, free wifi, armchairs and a curtain for you alone - and best view. And you can hang or sleep with the feets in the corridor also - because nobody is passing you there, superquite and calm also, you can not hear the engine there and usually most people are sleeping inside the buss.
https://nienaber-bus.de/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Nienaber-82.jpg (front-row upstairs)
 
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...Eller mener ropax at jeg først skulle ha tatt en ubekvem buss fra Rotterdam til Eindhoven og så skifte til en ny ubekvem buss der?...
Jo, precis - nettop ! After 90 min only in the buss (coming from London) from Rotterdam to Eindhoven the driver unload your baggage there opposite the big yellow "Kegel" - you take a seat in the glass-buss-stop -
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Nu begynner ropax å bli direkte morsom. I tidligere innlegg har han påstått at jeg hadde så lang ventetid ved mine togskifte underveis fra Rotterdam til Hamburg, nu foreslår han halvannen time i en busskur!!! ropax sine råd blir dummere og dummere.
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and then the Paris-Malmö buss is stopping at the same buss-stop and the busdriver load your baggage in - and in Malmö-C out again. Many other "better die than fly" persons are thinking that this is most comfortable... - from Malmö to Rotterdam (or London too) with 1 change only - and without any stairs, without walking around and lifting heavy big baggage self. (Pictures show the long-distance-buss-stop in Eindhoven - a cross-point in the network)

Is it really so ubekvem ?
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Meget kort svar: JA!
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The really long part between Arnhem and Hamburg without any intermediate stop ? And usually without families and kids in the buss. If you book the both front-row-seats before the stairs nobody is passing or disturbing you, you do not see any other passengers, you can fold down the seats maximum for sleeping, you have 2 reading-lamps and 2 individual air-condition/heating, electric socket, usb-port, free wifi, armchairs and a curtain for you alone - and best view. And you can hang or sleep with the feets in the corridor also - because nobody is passing you there, superquite and calm also, you can not hear the engine there and usually most people are sleeping inside the buss.
https://nienaber-bus.de/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Nienaber-82.jpg (front-row upstairs)
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Og spisedelen er oppe eller nede?
 
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Nu begynner ropax å bli direkte morsom. I tidligere innlegg har han påstått at jeg hadde så lang ventetid ved mine togskifte underveis fra Rotterdam til Hamburg, nu foreslår han halvannen time i en busskur!!! ropax sine råd blir dummere og dummere.

Meget kort svar: JA!

Og spisedelen er oppe eller nede?
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Kanskje Ropax og Risberg burde starte eget forum , så slipper vi andre bli overlesset med totalt uinteressant svada …..
 
Mhmmm - if we look closer to the newest news here (and new website)

https://nfl.stefantakens.nl/

this route is now planned in fact from nowhere to nowhere.

The port in Norway has the name Arendal - but is really very far away from the city - which is furthermore small with 38.000 people.
The ferry-ramp is planned in Eydehavn, where is absolute nothing - similar as on the dutch side in Eemshaven.
There are curved small slowly roads to Arendal and also to the next crossing with the E18 motorway Kristiansand-Oslo.
A lot of money is now planned to be invested in better / new roads and port-facilities.
And then the ferry-traffic shall start in 2027 with a ferry for 1200 people = not the ferry Romantika from Tallink because she is much much bigger.

Around ca. 1000 - 1400 people capacity has the Superfast-ferries, so maybe they are planning with one ferry from TT Australia or one from Unity-Line or the Tallink-Superfast IX f.ex. .
Furthermore the new website says "daily" - what would mean 2 ferries... .

So Color Line and Fjordline has really a lot of time now for to plan how to react "against" this new competitor... .

There is in fact a big ferry-route-gap between South-Norway and Friesland (the coast between Harlingen in the Netherlands and in Germany west from Hamburg) -
but sadly these people behind NFL believe in these small ports in nowhere instead of to choose bigger more attractive cities.
Furthermore the REALLY BIG german market seems to be complete ignored, website is in dutch, norsk and english.

So also when this new ferry-route will be really in operation there is still a market-gap between South-Norway and West-Germany (f.ex. Kristiansand-Bremerhaven).
 
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